Friday, June 29, 2018

Moral testing time

 Some of the decisions the US Supreme Court have laid the entire strength of te legal argument on sincere religious belief -- a meaningless phrase but let us assume such a unicorn does exist.

Vice President Pence is the leading self-declared evangelical in politics, I was surprised to see that he is visiting Guatemala. Guatemala is the world center of evangelical murder,

These murders were not objected to by American Evangelicals and were assisted and encouraged by the American government.

At least 200,000 people, primarily Indians living in the upcountry, were murdered in the name of evangelical Christianity in Guatemala.

So this visit would be a chance for Vice President Pence to say something about his sincere religious belief, either to endorse the murders or -- as the Congregationalists have done -- to regret and apologize for past misdeeds.

I doubt he'll do this since is in addition to being a sex pervert a moral coward. so I'm not holding my breath,

12 comments:

  1. [OP:] At least 200,000 people, primarily Indians living in the upcountry, were murdered in the name of evangelical Christianity in Guatemala.

    Hmmm. That's interesting. In reading up on the Guatemalan genocide, I can't find a single reference to evangelical Christianity.

    Has your rabid hatred unhinged you again?

    [OP:] I doubt [Pence will] do this since is in addition to being a sex pervert …

    Looks like you are indulging your slander superpowers again.

    Unless, of course, you can back that up.

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  2. "...I can't find a single reference to evangelical Christianity."

    I can. The Catholic Church in Guatemala was perceived as siding with the insurgents, which made Catholics a target for the government. There was an understanding at the time that those who belonged to an evangelical church instead would not be targeted by the military. Efraín Ríos Montt became Guatemala's first evangelical president in 1982 and essentially led the genocidal efforts of the military. Even those evangelicals who were aware of and opposed the genocide tended to side with Montt because of that identity. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that the genocide was carried out primarily in the name of evangelical Christianity, but evangelical Christianity was an important part of the apparatus, and evangelical Christians - both in Guatemala and in the U.S. - were rather clearly on one side of the conflict.

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  3. M:

    The fundamental part of that sentence is this: ... were murdered in the name of evangelical Christianity in Guatemala.

    That is exactly what I couldn't find any reference to, that the genocide was carried out in the name of evangelical Christianity, rather than being carried out by people who, at least some of whom, happened to be evangelical Christians.

    Without any evidence it was carried it was carried out in the name of evangelical Christianity, the statement is either epochally wrong, or a gross slander.

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  4. Perhaps I should embrace the power of "and".

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  5. It was a religious war. still is. It isn't over.

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  6. It was a religious war. still is. It isn't over.

    You said it was carried out in the name of evangelical Christianity. Prove it.

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  7. I thought this was the fundamental part of the original post:

    "These murders were not objected to by American Evangelicals and were assisted and encouraged by the American government."

    Which is damning in itself. "In the name of evangelical Christianity" might be a bit of an exaggeration, but it isn't slander, and if it's wrong, it isn't "epochally" so. You're reacting to the post like Neymar to a foot on his shin.

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  8. M:

    This immediately precedes your quote: Guatemala is the world center of evangelical murder ...

    If it isn't, and so far I can find no evidence even remotely suggesting such a thing, then the rest of the OP is rendered irrelevant, isn't it?

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  9. Some moral tests re difficult but this one was easy. Pence failed.

    He didn't even need to bring in religion but he should have deplored continuing mass murder by one of our "allies."

    As often is the case,Christians are only selectively for the Fifth Commandment.

    Decent people are against murder, period. There are no decent people in the Republican administration, so far as I have seen.

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  10. Decent people are against murder, period.

    Decent people are against a number of things. Including false accusations. In addition to unsubstantiated charges about evangelical murder, you accuse Pence of being a sex pervert.

    How about backing that one up?

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  11. Want to know just how indecent the Republican administration is? Just read the news, for example the attempt to punish countries (all of them except the US) that object to murdering babies with formula.

    It turns out the evangelicals and Catholics who bleat about life all the time are -- just as the liberals say -- concerned only with the life of unborn babies. After they are born, they are just so much waste tissue to them.

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  12. Want to know just how indecent the Republican administration is? Just read the news, for example the attempt to punish countries (all of them except the US) that object to murdering babies with formula.

    Harry, you will fall prey to any bit of nonsense that fluffs your narrative, won't you?

    Now that reality has unmoved the goal posts, how about substantiating charges of evangelical murder and Pence being a sex pervert?

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